Transcript of Emails Received from Linotype
and my responses to them.

Here is the message I received from a rep of   Linotype :

From: kiki janson <linotype@internet.de>
To: ray1998@thegrid.net <ray1998@thegrid.net>
Subject: copyright infringements
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 10:35 AM

What the fuck, antoher font page and someone else not knowing the
difference between shareware/freeware fonts and commercial ones.
I'm getting sooo tired.
Please take out Matisse ITC (ITC=International Typeface Corporation)
and Hollyweird LET (LET=Letraset).
I don't have the time to go through your complete collection, but please
be more careful with what you post.

kikita

To which I replied:

From: Eugene R. Vanaman <ray1998@thegrid.net>
To: linotype@internet.de <linotype@internet.de>
Subject: Re: copyright infringements
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 5:51 PM

I would like the name, and contact number of your supervisor. I do not
appreciate the use of this kind of language from anybody! I will not stand
for it. And yes I will remove those fonts. I was not aware of any
copyrights. Your font does not have any such copyrights embedded in it.

Eugene

And then I received:

From: Linotype Support <linotype@internet.de>
To: Eugene R. Vanaman <ray1998@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: copyright infringements
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 12:30 AM

They are not even my fonts...
And the copyright is already in the name. Plus they are trademarks.
Looks like I should send ITC over.
Oh, as for the contact of my supervisor, here's the email of our managing
director, Bruno Steinert. Though I'm pretty sure if you are going to contact
him, he is gonna send our lawyer to check your site:bsteiner@fonts.de
I mean how can you not accept rude language but violate the copyright of
several type foundires and designers? Where's your point?
Sure, I could have been more polite, normally I am, but seeing so many sites
rising day after day and hardly anybody seems to understand what I am talking
about makes me furious.
Sorry, but I don't feel like apologizing here as long as you don't understand
what you are doing here.
kiki

Here is the letter I sent to Kiki's Superior.

From: Eugene R. Vanaman <ray1998@thegrid.net>
To: bsteiner@fonts.de <bsteiner@fonts.de>
Subject: The representation of your company.
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 2:48 AM

Is this how you want your company represented?
This is a transcript of a recent correspondence between one of your
representatives (Kiki Janson) and myself. I felt this should be brought to
your attention:
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-----Original Message-----
From: kiki janson <linotype@internet.de>
To: ray1998@thegrid.net <ray1998@thegrid.net>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 10:35 AM
Subject: copyright infringements
What the fuck, antoher font page and someone else not knowing the
difference between shareware/freeware fonts and commercial ones.
I'm getting sooo tired.
Please take out Matisse ITC (ITC=International Typeface Corporation)
and Hollyweird LET (LET=Letraset).
I don't have the time to go through your complete collection, but
please
be more careful with what you post.

kikita
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Eugene R. Vanaman" <ray1998@thegrid.net>
To: <linotype@internet.de>
Subject: Re: copyright infringements
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:51:42 -0700

I would like the name, and contact number of your supervisor. I do not
appreciate the use of this kind of language from anybody! I will not
stand for it. And yes I will remove those fonts. I was not aware of any
copyrights. Your font does not have any such copyrights embedded in
it.

Eugene
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linotype Support <linotype@internet.de>
To: Eugene R. Vanaman <ray1998@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: copyright infringements
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 12:30 AM
They are not even my fonts...
And the copyright is already in the name. Plus they are trademarks.
Looks like I should send ITC over.
Oh, as for the contact of my supervisor, here's the email of our managing
director, Bruno Steinert. Though I'm pretty sure if you are going to contact
him, he is gonna send our lawyer to check your site:bsteiner@fonts.de
I mean how can you not accept rude language but violate the copyright of
several type foundires and designers? Where's your point?
Sure, I could have been more polite, normally I am, but seeing so many sites
rising day after day and hardly anybody seems to understand what I am
talking
about makes me furious.
Sorry, but I don't feel like apologizing here as long as you don't
understand
what you are doing here.
kiki
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I was not aware that ITC nor LET stood for a company name, therefor I had no
way of knowing it was a trademark, the same goes for many other fonts. I
don't feel I should be chastised for a lack of information on my part.

How would you want your company to be represented?
Well unfortunately the obvious answer is not what you are getting. The
language use in these emails was totally inappropriate for any business
correspondence.
Had I just been told to remove the fonts I would have with no argument. This
situation however needed attention drawn to it.

The fonts in question have been removed, as have the rest of them, until I
learn for myself which are public domain and which are trademarked.

Sincerely,
Eugene R. Vanaman
http://www.thegrid.net/thehaunted_1/

Here is his response...

From: bsteiner@fonts.de <bsteiner@fonts.de>
To: Eugene R. Vanaman <ray1998@thegrid.net>
Subject: Antwort: The representation of your company.
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 4:03 AM

Dear Mr. Vanaman,

Please take my apologies for the bad language Kiki used in her email. This
is of course not our company style. As you can see from the date of origin,
Kiki wrote her email in her sparetime (Sunday) as a private activity.

Nevertheless, we are becoming more and more the victims of careless people
pirating our intellectual property without understanding anything about
typefaces. This is a serious thread to our business which we normally pass
over to our legal department to take action. Theft is a crime even if the
thieves dont know what they are doing.

Kiki spends a lot of her time trying to resolve these isssues in a more
friendly way. Obviousely, she had lost her patience in your case. I will
take care that this could not happen anymore.

Yours Sincerely

Bruno Steinert
Managing Director
Linotype Library GmbH

I think he called me a thief...

A further note... All emails are an exact quote of the ones I sent/received.
Even the spelling errors. (Notice none of which are mine.)

 

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